According to a spokeswoman for LG Display, via Reuters, the display panel company will increase their investment in OLED production by $395.99 million USD. Back in November, we reported on their plans to produce an $8.7 billion USD facility that was expected to manufacture panel sizes that range between smart watch and large TV.
Just displaying an LG Display display.
Okay then.
It's awesome that OLED is getting even more attention. The display technology is better suited than LCD/LED in terms of both real contrast and high refresh rate / low persistence, with the former good for deep blacks and saturated colors, and the latter for VR, 3D, and generated content like games. We've seen a few professional monitors announced at CES, but they are still in the “decent used car” price range. That's a welcome change from “decent new car” however, but availability is still basically non-existent. This is before LG Display's production facility wakes up in 2018, and LG is known to push lower prices into markets. Just a couple years!
My dream monitor:
27″ or 30″
My dream monitor:
27″ or 30″ OLED 4k that I can use in 2 operating modes:
1) 1080p at 180hz and low persistance.
2) 4k with freesync/gsync.
I hope to see a monitor like this in less than 2 year.
Why not 144HZ 4K OLED G-SYNC?
Why not 144HZ 4K OLED G-SYNC?
dream monitor 27″ 1440 165hz
dream monitor 27″ 1440 165hz gsync
4k requirements are still a joke for 60 let alone 100 plus fps
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they also better not
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they also better not make them matte panels keep them glossy
Gloss only has one good use.
Gloss only has one good use. The satisfaction of peeling that plastic off when you unbox it. Orgasmic.
yea if you are 10
yea if you are 10
I like the kind of in between
I like the kind of in between gloss and matte you see on a lot of monitors nowadays. They don’t capture/diffuse too much external light but they also don’t reflect every little thing in your room.
Yes, because computers and
Yes, because computers and monitors only use is for gaming………………………………
None gamer jumps into
None gamer jumps into conversation about ideal gaming monitors…go away
Pretty sure this was a
Pretty sure this was a discussion about ideal monitors, not just ideal gaming monitors.
And yes, I totally agree that glossy monitors are the worst invention ever. Semi-glossy can be acceptable, but matte is by far the best for comfort. And with a good coating (not as coarse as the one on my U2711), it looks plenty sharp regardless.
non gaming monitor with
non gaming monitor with gysnc?
also hows that glass screen
also hows that glass screen on that phone you look at at least 20 times day working out for you? fucking retard take some ADD or betteer yet take some Zoloft to cope with dealing with looking at your ugly ass reflection
People who want glossy can
People who want glossy can buy glossy and people who want matte can buy matte, and the difference isn’t even that much anyway. If you don’t like the diffuse light from a matte display, don’t have light tangential to the screen. If you have a glossy display, don’t have light directly in front of it. If you can’t have control over that, then you can be selective, but you really can’t say one is much better than the other. It’s down to a matter of needs and preference.
Otherwise, there’s no need to talk like people have been talking here to each other like that over something so small.
Wow, I’m impressed by your
Wow, I’m impressed by your rhetoric. Such argumentation skills! You must be proud of yourself.
FYI, I’d _love_ a matte phone display. There are several times each and every day that I’m severely annoyed by reflections from my phone screen. The problem is that it’d be a huge fingerprint magnet, and impossible to clean, not to mention that I’ve yet to see a matte screen with a glass surface. Touchscreens can unfortunately not be matte without some serious compromise. But considering my phone is used outside quite a lot, cutting down reflectivity would be amazing.
Because I want a refresh rate
Because I want a refresh rate multiple of 30fps and 60fps, so I can what video on youtube for example without stutter.
Cue Josh Walrath, $395 NINETY
Cue Josh Walrath, $395 NINETY NINE!
Be prepared to often buy a
Be prepared to often buy a new OLED screen like iPhones with a butterfly life expectancy…
Even if LG speculates about a low ticket price for a new technology, it couldn’t compete for now LCD for its TCO.
Are they invest for OLED PC
Are they invest for OLED PC monitors or just for 4k TVs and Smartphones?
There are some serious problems with OLEDs and we still don’t know if they managed to overcome them.
Life expectancy is still lower than LCD.
Color uniformity is not very good and you need to produce AAA+ panels to get it right which means costs rise dramatically. Lower quality OLEDs are still suffering from burn-ins and color uniformity issues. For example if you display a white image some areas are tinted yellow, some other pink and some greenish. It’s not easy to get it right. This is what worries me about OLEDs except if they managed to solve those problems. OLEDs on phones are different story because those small panels are cheaper to produce and thus the AAA+ quality panels are easier to achieve with a relatively low cost than large panels for PCs and TVs.
They still need to fix
They still need to fix burn-in before these become viable for PC usage. Samsung is the market leader in OLED, and they’re still a good ways away. Judging from the Samsung phones and tablets on display at my work, they burn in in less than a year. And these are live demo units, running constant video loops without any static text or imagery, with timers stopping the loops and shutting off screens outside of business hours (they run 9AM-8PM mon-sat). Our S6s aren’t showing burn-in yet, but the S5 LDU that was just recently taken out of the store looked pretty bad. Two years of slightly more than 11 hours average per day (or 15h/day with a 5-day week) without any static imagery doesn’t bode well for PC monitor usage, as PCs after all have constantly showing (semi-)static imagery. I’d bet most OLED monitors would show burn-in after anything from 6 to 12 months.
I have yet to see any reports
I have yet to see any reports of permanent burn-in for current gen LG TVs that weren’t store displays in torch mode. A static computer display will be a lot more taxing, but I know there are quite a few people out there using these for gaming/computer displays. If you have any anecdotal reports on burn-in when using as a computer display please link to it, thanks.
There is a huge difference
There is a huge difference between desktop PC usage and TV usage – even with a HTPC connected. Also, TVs have various forms of burn-in-protection that PC monitors lack (and can’t have), like dimming the image severely after a short period displaying the same image. Also, how many OLED TVs have been sold worldwide? Can’t be that many, considering that all of one brand even offers them. And of those, how many see use like that? Also, they’ve only been available for a short time. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if reports started showing up a year or two into their lifetime.
The Sony XEL-1 was around in
The Sony XEL-1 was around in 2007. LG had a 15″ display in 2010, a 31″ in 2011 and a 55″ inch, the precursor to their current lineup, in 2012. The just released LG TVs are 4th generation products.
And how many of those have
And how many of those have been sold worldwide? The XEL-1 was an 11″ 960×540 $2500 TV. I doubt its sales even reached the high hundreds. The same goes for the 15″ LG, and high-end TV sales were WAY beyond 31″ panels in 2011. These were proof-of-concept products, sold only to demonstrate that they were able to make them – at huge costs, yet probably still loss-leaders due to enormous R&D costs.
You could say they are based on fourth-generation panels (although even that would be a stretch, as 11-15″ panels and 55″ panels are worlds apart production wise, and if “all OLED panels ever” is your baseline, then there have been far more than four generations), but they are definitely not fourth generation products. Second gen, sure. But they are the second generation of a premium line from a single brand with 12-14% market share over the last few years (http://www.statista.com/statistics/267095/global-market-share-of-lcd-tv-manufacturers/). And premium lines are not volume sales drivers.
To be generous, let’s say 5% of LG’s TV sales last year were OLED TVs – a guess I wouldn’t be surprised to learn is 10x too high. If so, then ~0,7% of all TVs sold last year were OLED panels. Of a global TV market of ~250m units, that’s 1,75 million TVs. That’s still not bad. But the chance of those ending up with a large enough group of TV enthusiasts, in the same market, to make such issues heard, if they existed? Near zero. Also, OLED TVs probably sell better with two groups: the “I’ll buy anything premium, since I have the money” demographic, and early adopters. The former group might be pissed if their premium goods don’t work as expected, but they’re not the kind to launch consumer protests – they either complain individually or replace whatever’s faulty. And early adopters are mostly aware of and tolerant of faults in new technologies.
For reports of things like this to appear, we first need mass adoption of the product.